people can't get past the syntax.
also, a commercial company backs clojure's development. who backs guile's?
if you bring up emacs, well, can't i point out that visual studio code has a lot more users than emacs?
the number of projects you will find to add features and extensions to visual studio code dwarf the ones to add them to emacs, and that's a measure of success you can't argue with.
i just find it illogical to say proprietary software is better because you have trouble with guile.
users didn't want lisp.
there's no getting around that. even a 50% usable free solution trumps an expensive proprietary one if you can't afford the proprietary one.
there's nothing preventing people from contributing to documentation for free software, something they usually can't do for proprietary software. if you can't look under the hood to see how it works, you're guessing.
@AbbieNormal but there is copious evidence that shows that being able to contribute to free software does work. pretty much every single open source software in widespread use today got to where it is *because of user contributions.”
the fact that people can and do read the source code, and the license lets them make (and often distribute) changes, is a major advantage over proprietary software.
the fact that some open source maintainers are unwilling to accept some changes from users doesn’t distinguish the community from proprietary software vendors, either. proprietary software vendors are free to ignore user suggestions and requests, and often do. but the fact that everyone can make changes to free software makes it a plus, and there are countless examples of that.
if your major point here is that the documentation sucks, well, no one’s stopping you from writing your own intro guides. lots of free software out there relies on third-party documentation. how much time do you think linus torvalds spent writing HOWTO docs? and yet, their existence contributed to its success.
expecting the maintainers to anticipate all user issues and to do the work that will satisfy everyone is completely unrealistic. you won’t do it for anyone else for free, why would they do it for you?
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@AbbieNormal with proprietary software, i cannot change it for myself. how does that make them even remotely comparable?
@AbbieNormal right up to the point where it won’t do what you want or the company drops support for it.
@AbbieNormal I didn’t see any solution that is fair to everyone involved. do you have one?
@AbbieNormal I’m neither going to work for free nor ask anyone to.